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2009 Special Talk Outline
by OnlyTruth inis there a true religion from gods standpoint?.
note to the speaker:.
standpoint.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 03-29-09 WT Study (APPROVED SERVANT)
by blondie in*** w07 3/1 p. 29 par.
*** w07 4/1 p. 23 par.
*** w07 6/1 p. 29 par.
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Ultimate Reality
Thank you for your efforts and "public service", Blondie. These articles help keep some of us up to date on what our family members are ingesting and they provide a valuable service to lurkers in helping them to think critically about Watchtower teachings.
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WT to entirely shut down Brooklyn soon? New developments
by sir82 inone thread already started on this, although you may have missed it since the topic title is not so descriptive: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/173227/1/moving-sale.
here is a news article on it:.
http://www.lohud.com/article/20090326/news03/903260466.
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Ultimate Reality
How many Bethelites are left in Brooklyn at this time?
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Change in Regular Pioneer application process
by Ultimate Reality inthis week a letter is being read that changes the process for the approval of regular pioneers.
in times past you had to fill out an application, submit it to the elder body (who would then add their comments), and it would be forwarded to "the branch" for approval.. this is being changed so that the elder body grants the approval instead of brooklyn or the local branch.
it looks like the lawyers are removing any and all direct contact between the rank-and-file and the gb.
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Ultimate Reality
In the words of Princess Leia: "The more you tighten your grip...the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
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Change in Regular Pioneer application process
by Ultimate Reality inthis week a letter is being read that changes the process for the approval of regular pioneers.
in times past you had to fill out an application, submit it to the elder body (who would then add their comments), and it would be forwarded to "the branch" for approval.. this is being changed so that the elder body grants the approval instead of brooklyn or the local branch.
it looks like the lawyers are removing any and all direct contact between the rank-and-file and the gb.
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Ultimate Reality
Lulu: I know of situations where the branch and the applicant have had disagreements on the applicant's suitability. These applications are not rubber stamped. If there is something in your file in Brooklyn, they can deny your application. You also don't have any transparency in the organization. You may not be allowed to know what is in your file or how to resolve the issues. The whole process creates a nightmare for Brooklyn and the applicant. Brooklyn is afraid of lawsuits from the publishers and from the public if a publisher does something bad. This move helps contain liability.
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Change in Regular Pioneer application process
by Ultimate Reality inthis week a letter is being read that changes the process for the approval of regular pioneers.
in times past you had to fill out an application, submit it to the elder body (who would then add their comments), and it would be forwarded to "the branch" for approval.. this is being changed so that the elder body grants the approval instead of brooklyn or the local branch.
it looks like the lawyers are removing any and all direct contact between the rank-and-file and the gb.
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Ultimate Reality
I think the CO's will continue (so that they don't have mass layoffs--too much bad Bethel PR already) but in a new capacity that shows how much the GB loves everyone, by simplifying. It will also be interpreted as another sign the end is so close. Based on some other postings, it seems reasonable that the CO's will start visiting elder bodies on a rotation and be available for advice over the phone, but no more direct contact with the R & F. Perhaps, CO's will start appointing elders (like the apostle Paul) adding another layer to protect Brooklyn. We will only see them giving manuscript talks at assemblies, just like DO's -- no opportunuty for publishers to complain about whatever injustices are happening in the congregation.
Whatever the case, the push to separate from local congregations is strong. Now, if a Pioneer molests someone, Brooklyn cannot be held liable. I bet all existing Pioneers will have to sign new applications (agreements) this fall.
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Change in Regular Pioneer application process
by Ultimate Reality inthis week a letter is being read that changes the process for the approval of regular pioneers.
in times past you had to fill out an application, submit it to the elder body (who would then add their comments), and it would be forwarded to "the branch" for approval.. this is being changed so that the elder body grants the approval instead of brooklyn or the local branch.
it looks like the lawyers are removing any and all direct contact between the rank-and-file and the gb.
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Ultimate Reality
This week a letter is being read that changes the process for the approval of regular pioneers. In times past you had to fill out an application, submit it to the Elder Body (who would then add their comments), and it would be forwarded to "the Branch" for approval.
This is being changed so that the Elder Body grants the approval instead of Brooklyn or the local branch. It looks like the lawyers are removing any and all direct contact between the rank-and-file and the GB. All liability is being limited to, and contained to local congregations elders.
This continuing process would lend further credibility to the rumor about the end of C.O.'s. They present a huge liability to the Society and the Governing Body as they have been sent out as representatives (or legal agents) of the GB.
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Is there proof somewhere that when a KH is sold...,
by cawshun inis there some place to prove that when a congregation donates time, work, materials, ect... to build a kh, that when it get's sold the money goes to the wts corporation and not back to the congregation that built it through donations?.
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Our Hall passed a resolution based on the Society's review of the Congregation's articles of incorporation. It was resolved to change the dissolution clause so that if the Congregation is ever liquidated, the proceeds for the sale of the property automatically goes to the WTS.
This "suggestion" was based on the WTS legal department's review. Of course, the local congregation did not retain their own counsel for legal advice in this matter.
The Society has a form that the Elders fill out to disclose the ownership arrangements and then the Society provides their advice on the adjustments to make. This seems to be a systematic way of ensuring that all assets eventually end up in the hands of the WTS.
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June 15 Study Watchtower now on jw.org
by dozy innotably contains an article on "the faithful steward and it's governing body".
only skimmed over the account , but it seems to cover a number of bases - eg.
anointed individuals are not to think they are above "god's channel".
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The elevation of the GB has reached new heights (along with minimizing the domestics and great crowd) in this article. The article presents new reasoning and concepts on this matter. For example, it makes a point about how only 8 individuals were responsible for writing the New Testament and links the role of the apostles to that of GB.
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June 15 Study Watchtower now on jw.org
by dozy innotably contains an article on "the faithful steward and it's governing body".
only skimmed over the account , but it seems to cover a number of bases - eg.
anointed individuals are not to think they are above "god's channel".
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Ultimate Reality
Wow. This is what many have been waiting for, but it's interesting to hear the explanation.
Listen to the opening comments, and conflicted reasoning. This is the setup for the Governing Body to become the Servant/Steward appointed by Jesus while the "domestics" (all the other "annointed") and other sheep get lumped together.